On Tobias critical statement about Jeff Sutherlands about Shock Therapy I found:
Kripanidhi Says: Agile, Scrum, XP are all based on a very high discipline(self discipline)paradigms. These Values based, Self-organizing, Empirical Process driven Team Approaches need a very high team maturity. That’s why Kent Beck is now calling it “Responsible Development” – tied with Responsibility, Accountability and Transparency.
Wrong! Have you every played a team sport – like basketball or football. Kids can play it! They might not know every cool tactical maneuver like the professionals but they are engaged. They follow the rules and they do a lot to be successful. This myth about mature teams is so wrong as the astonishing of managers BIG that people want to work, want to achieve something when they are allowed to work in a way they want to do it.
A lot of people have lost the basic rules of behavior of society at work: comming late, be not respectful, being lazy … not because the are that way but because it is their defence mechanism to survive dysfunctional organizations.